How do you think a Fluval 304 with hoses AND a Fluval 403 with no hoses (both are USED and have no media) worth???

to me nothing, fluvall is a pain in the neck except the new fx5,but all the 04 models clog,propellers stick and are hard to prime

no good,

erm dang there that bad?

its not that hard to prime it, if you know how to do it the right wayy. NO MEDIA=NO $. its worthless if theres no media.

why dont you use it? i like my fluval as of right now. my waters are crystal clear

I use 2 fluval 404's and they're good. I dunno what other people experienced, but these are great if you pack it up with the medias. I let it ran for months without any cleaning. Use it and decide for urself.

I'm running a 204 right now and it's giver me no problems. It helps if you put some sort of sponge prefilter over the intake. I do this for all my filters including my HOT filters and it does a good job of keeping the filters clean and powerful.

BASURA ..............Use Eheim man..................

I also usually have trouble w/ the fluvals,the impller always sticks and I have to prime it
the old fashion way and Ive already replaced the shaft that runs through it twice

-and all this is w/the 2nd gen 404

yep! al the time I think they r crap

i have fuval 404... it works great... and i only got it for 100 buck brand new.. at a going out of bussiness sale

Mickey you are so frugal...LOL

anyhow I'd stick with the newer fluvals (ie: *04,*05)..trust me I work at a fish store and the parts for the old ones are a nightmare to find...LOL

LOL... mike so you are telline me that u won't buy a 404 fluval for as cheep as u can get?? come on bro everyone has to be cheep at times...